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why did my worms all die? - 2008/05/22 20:07 hi. i just bought a purpose-made worm farm with plastic tiers and a drain spigot. i put a square of weed barrier cloth on the bottom to keep the worms from falling through and then added a brick-worth of soaked and wrung-out coconut coir. i immediately afterward added one pound of red worms that i ordered through the mail. i gently separated the clumps of worms and they all seemed to be active and healthy.

i did not wait a day (as recommended) to feed them (because i was so excited). i gave them about four cups of vegetable waste cut into small pieces and some crushed egg shells.

i did not, however, add any fine sand.

i did not leave a light on them for a few days as recommended, i just put the lid on and put them in the pantry.

the next morning there were lots of worms collected on the underside of the lid where there was some condensation. i gently put them all back in the coir.

i thought maybe i should have let the light on them for a while, so i took the lid off the bin and set it outside of the pantry in bright light (but not direct sunling). all the worms buried themselves back in the coir.

at night i put the lid back on and put them back in the pantry.

i did this for a few days, and would occasionally stir the coir gently with my hands to bury the veggie scraps and look at the worms.

after a few more days i fed them about a cup or two more.

then i left them for about a week.

i found about fifteen or so dried up dead worms on the floor inside the pantry. then when i looked under the lid, i didn't see any movement and saw only five or six dead worm bodies on the top of the coir and when i dug around in the bedding, i didn't see more than a couple dead worms.

i am wondering why they died.

it was not too wet (maybe a little more dry than a wrung-out sponge).
it was not too hot (the house remained cool and the food was not heating up from composting action)
i did not add anything acidic like citrus or coffee grounds.

could it have been the fact that i did not add sand for their digestion?
or could it have been that there was too little air circulation because of the weed barrier on the bottom and the fact that the farm was kept inside the pantry?
could the worms have been sick when they were delivered?
could it have been that i fed them too early or too much?
could it have been chlorine from the tap water i used to soak the coir?

any other ideas? i would really like to try this again, but i don't want to kill another pound of red worms.

if i do order new worms, can i just put them in the same bedding, or will i need to change it?

thanks for any advice.

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Re:why did my worms all die? - 2008/05/22 22:40 you definately over fed them. The bedding may have been a little dry, but most likely all that decaying food in there wasnt good for them, next time, try shredded newspaper mixed with small amount of leaves, let them adjust to their new environment for a few days, then add about 1/2 cup of your veggie scraps, do NOT add anymore till you see all of that intitial 1/2 cup completely gone.
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Re:why did my worms all die? - 2008/05/24 19:49 I've used the same type of plastic worm factory with success indoors. I now have a pretty large outdoor bin so I don't the worm factory right now, but may use it again this winter.

Worms thrive on neglect. If you over love them, you can easily kill them. I'd suggest that you fill the worm factory with shredded newspaper. The coir would be fine, but I think it may be contaminated from the last round. I would shred the newspaper, soak it in a sink and then squeeze the water out of it and fluff it a little before adding to the bin. Fill the tray almost to the top. Do this a week or so before you get new worms. When the worms come, add them to the bin and sprinkle (sparingly) cornmeal on top. I emphasize sparingly because a lot of cornmeal will kill them as it can sour in a hurry. After a couple of days your worms should be feeding on the cornmeal and looking healthy.

When the cornmeal is gone, add a small bit of chopped vegetables etc. on top of the bedding and then keep an eye on it over the next few days. As the vegetables begin to decompose, your worms should begin to feed on them. Keep in mind that worms don't eat organic matter. They feed on the critters that decompose them.

I wouldn't bury anything. Plastic worm bins tend to stay wetter than others and can sour quickly.

Your worms will fare far better if you disturb them as little as you can and leave them to their own devices.
Branson MO[size=2][/size]
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Re:why did my worms all die? - 2008/05/24 23:46 thank you both for the helpful suggestions. i will get rid of the coir and start over, this time without loving them to death.

any other advice or thoughts are welcomed!
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Re:why did my worms all die? - 2008/05/26 14:28 Not being a true "wormer" yet I am doing lots of research at this point. In "Worms eat my garbage" Mary specifically states that you need to let your water sit open for 24 hours to let chlorine evaporate out before you soak your bedding.

Having your bin already you may well have a book. I got my book first & re-read as I think of questions.
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Re:why did my worms all die? - 2008/05/26 20:51 I have read more than once in forums of people that do not de-chlorinate thier water and thier worms are doing just fine. An example might be all the worms in your front lawn.
Chlorine in my opinion would kill some of the bacteria that worms use for food, but I don't think it would cause any deaths.

I have to agree with they were overfed. Untill worms get established they won't eat a whole lot. Was there a smell?

When I started out I took great care to make sure everything was perfect. I have had good luck, but I must admit my worms do just as good with a weekly feeding and a moisture temp check.

Better luck on the next try.

Darren

Post edited by: digger123, at: 2008/05/26 20:54
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