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Re:WormFarmingSecrets - 2007/06/21 21:19I was never able to get on the website. Oh well too many other good free sites.
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duncancarver
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Re:WormFarmingSecrets - 2007/07/05 23:54Hi All,
Duncan Carver here.
I own and operate wormfarmingsecrets.com and would like to clarify a few points made in this discussion to ensure there is no mystery to the site itself nor any wild accusations flying around.
BTW - I can be reached at admin AT wormfarmingsecrets.com at any time and respond to all emails personally and always have.
Firstly thanks to all WFS members who have contributed their input to this discussion. I have only just noticed it going on.
"I clicked on a few of those personal sites and found lots more of information and then some of the members chose to attach XXXXXXXX web sites. I got educated alright."
The older discussion forms were running a software application called PHPBB. This forum system is prone to spammers that use automated software applications to post spam messages to hundreds of thousands of different forums per day. As a result, such XXX related posts were never allowed to exist, nor condoned within the forums. But of course, some did appear without our consent.
However, due to time frames (we are in New Zealand), generally these would appear in the forums whilst we were sleeping and it was some hours before they could be removed form the board... low and behold I am not a 24 hour computer that can deal with these things in mere seconds, just a humble human being that also requires sleep. As a result, a few forum users would've seen these messages.
I do recall receiving an email from a person (perhaps the person whom I'm quoting here) related to this issue. This was many weeks ago now and I did infact reply to the person with a detailed explanation similar to the above and a full apology. Although the situation was totally beyond my control, I did of course feel for the person considering their child was sitting next to them.
There is not much more I can say about this issue other than the fact that I cannot be held responsible if my email was not received by the recipient. Perhaps it went to their email spam folder or for whatever reason and was missed by the recipient.
This was a key reason why we have since changed to new forum management software and also moved to a private form system.
"I was a member of their forum and now it says that I have to pay for a yearly membership of $97. So I just erased their forum from my bookmark list."
The current rates are $97 for the first year (actually currently $67) and $27 per year there after (and come with many other benefits other than a simple forum). All existing forum members prior to this conversion *that actually contributed to the forum discussions* were invited, at my own personal expense, to a free lifetime membership to the new private membership website. They were sent three separate emails related to this over a period of three weeks with full instructions.
I know a few people never took advantage of this, for whatever reason, but there should be no cause for compliant because of the generous time frame I allowed for this... and the fact that anyone whom emailed me after this that I could confirm was a contributing member was also gifted the same lifetime membership.
"I'd like to see an explanation for all this. Is that the same Bentley who started posting here a short while back? How about it wormfarmingsecrets.com??"
Hi Marshall,
I'm attempting to address everyone's concerns here one by one ;-0
Yes Bentley is currently our newsletter contributor. We meet Bentley when he arrived at WFS (via the advertising we conduct) and he become a very active forum member. After personal discussions with Bentley, and realizing his experience in the field of vermiculture, I invited him to contribute his experience to the newsletter as a paid position.
Bentley is one of the most experienced people I know in this field with a lot to contribute and I have had no regrets about employing him to add greater value to wormfarmingsecrets.com for both the free newsletter readers and the private members alike.
We have become good friends and he has gained tremendous (and well deserved) respect from the 3,700+ free newsletter readers and several hundred private members we have.
"I can't see anyone needing to pay money for a subscription website for information on worm farming unless they were seriously lazy."
This is your personal opinion of which you are entitled to it. However some people do not have the time to spend weeks researching material on the internet (or else where) nor wish to go down the trial and error approach. They would just like to get started with complete as soon as possible with step-by-step advice (and a professional support network of experienced people to help them) and the value in paying for such a service is well recognized by such people.
"Anyone giving advice on the site is grandfathered into the site and are basically unpaid employees of the site giving advice."
This is simply not true. Many of our members have become close personal friends and are collectively helping each other in their individual endeavors. If this were seen as the case by members, no one would be contributing to the excellent and detailed discussions going on in the forums every day.
"I think that the original guy behind it is a programmer who is going to set up membership sites like this on different subjects and plans to retire on the profits. Sounds like a good Idea if it works."
My primary business is infact online marketing (feel free to Google my name if you wish to find out more about me). However we do very well from our core online marketing ventures which have nothing at all to do with worm farming. There is a long story behind why wormfarmingsecrets.com was developed which I will not get into here as we'll keep things on the vermiculture topic itself.
"I posted a couple of times on wormfarmingsecrets and still have to pay. I think it's got something to do about me complaining about the links to the adult XXXXXXXXXXX web sites. Who wants to see that filth? Good ridance to them!"
This has been explained above. I am reachable at the email address provided and have responded to each and every email received related to all such matters.
"I saw where there were some people spamming the old forum with their sites. You could tell what that was without going to their sites! I Haven't seem anything like that in the new forums. If all you did was complain, maybe they did not think you had anything to offer their readers."
This is not the case at all and emails were responded to in the most timely and professional manner possible. Again I can do nothing if they were missed by the recipient for whatever reason.
I do agree however that there needs to be some degree of responsibility taken by anyone who does not wish to be exposed to such material, and yet clicks on a link to a site which is obviously X rated (contained within a post that is obviously spam and has nothing to do with worm farming), and does so in front of a child).
"I posted on there forum. I was vermiman there too. When I try to retrieve my password it now says: The information you have entered is incorrect. Username [vermiman] does not exist in database"
The older forums were removed as discussed.
"May I ask you how many of you have signed up for the news letter? How much do you think it costs to Wright and send that news letter out to you all? Now add the bandwidth for the site and it adds to quite a bit off money each month, Duncan does not sell t-shirts or magazines so I think it?s only fair that he now charges to join the forum. All of the members that joined before the charges were put in place SHOULD have been sent an email with a link to the new site; if you did not get the second email either then you could have tried emailing Duncan before running down the site."
I do need to discuss why we charge for memberships. The simple fact is to recover the costs of advertising and research and development. Yes, there is a weekly fee associated with publishing the newsletter also - again Bentley is a paid to contribute - and there are many other costs associated with running a websites that people here might just not realize. Sure, we hope to make a small profit or at least break even (otherwise it would not be worth our time and the valuable resource we have created would not exist).
"Most are not trying to bad mouth the site. I do not like the way I was invited in "Free" and after visiting a few times it was down for about a week and then started telling me I would have to subscribe to a pretty high priced forum. As far as I am concerned don't tell me it is going to be free and change like that without any notice."
We tried to make this transition as transparent as possible. However there was a technical issue that caused some confusion that was not foreseen. That was the fact the some older forum pages were indexed in Google (even after the front end of the forums were closed) and some people arriving at these pages registered for the forums even though technically they did not exist.
Even in such an instance, if these people emailed me and informed me, I simply gifted these people a lifetime membership also. Of course, there came a point in time when we needed to stop doing this and stick with the company policy relating to this issue.
The simple fact is however the issues presented here have been an extreme minority. We have over 3.5k satisfied readers that receive the free newsletter version every week, and several hundred private members whom find wormfarmingsecrets.com a very valuable resource. We also have many new private members joining weekly.
I hope this clarifies all issues presented for everyone.
Best...
Duncan Carver
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duncancarver
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Re:WormFarmingSecrets - 2007/07/05 23:56sorry double post.
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ianccfc
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Re:WormFarmingSecrets - 2007/07/07 07:20Nice Post Duncan Just Because You're Not Paranoid, It Doesn't Mean That Somebody Isn't Following You.
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Bentley
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Re:WormFarmingSecrets - 2007/07/07 22:55Wow!!! This is the first time I've seen this thread! YIKES!
Now I know why some people here don't seem to like me.
Wish I had seen this earlier so I could have explained my involvement with WFS.
Anyway, I'm very glad Duncan dropped by to add his 2 cents. As he explained, I joined WFS awhile back and became really active on the forum. He subsequently asked me to become a newsletter contributor after seeing my website and learning a little more about my background in vermicomposting.
I've been a vermicomposting fanatic for years, and in fact used to have a subscription to the print version of Worm Digest (different ownership back then I think), and also used to spend a lot of time on the old WD forum.
Definitely sorry for the confusion, but please be assured that I am here due to my crazy passion for worm composting - plain and simple.
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Andy Dufresne
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Re:WormFarmingSecrets - 2007/07/08 09:24It is nice to see you contribute valid experienced information to these forums.
Like Bentley, I have an avid passion for vermicomposting.
It seems the EarthWorm Digest continues to be the excellent melting pot for great earthworm information on a global standard.
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wellsworms
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Re:WormFarmingSecrets - 2007/07/08 10:26 Duncan if you would make a back issue available it would save a lot of time . I would pay $2.00 for a prepaid mag mailed to me just to see what its all about.FEED IT TO THE WORMS WELLS,vermont jerry walker 2008
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UncleBubba
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Re:WormFarmingSecrets - 2007/07/09 10:58Very nicely written Duncan. I wish you luck with your venture. Do you think Earthworm Digest should send you a bill for the advertising?Deep in the "Heart of Dixie"
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ianccfc
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Re:WormFarmingSecrets - 2007/07/09 15:46Quick, Bentley pull that knife out from between Duncans shoulder blades. I think Uncle Bubba left it behind. Just Because You're Not Paranoid, It Doesn't Mean That Somebody Isn't Following You.
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triad_ekn
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Re:WormFarmingSecrets - 2007/07/10 16:45Hi everyone! New Person Here
Just curious -- Has anyone been through all of the material and forum discussions offered by this site?
Do you think that it is better to spend money for a subscription here or spend money on actual books written by experts such as Charlie Morgan, et al?
Thanks in advance,
--Ed
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Nice to hear from you. Get comfortable and relax. You are in the best place in town.
The EarthWorm Digest is simply the best information website regarding earthworms on the web.
I have read through the material on these forums and I have accessed the old forums for reference. The forum posters on this site are well informed and all very nice. I love reading the posters who have been around for awhile. They are fabulous. They seem to all chip in with experienced information when needed.
I make it a point to read the latest news stories on the front home page. The stories range from novice to expert and they are all categorized for easy access. The voting poll is always fun. The three big stories at the bottom of the home page are usually pretty serious.
The information on this website is extraordinary. I have searched other places on the web for bits and pieces of information, but I have found this site to be the best overall for general earthworm information relating to education, research, business and environment, etc. . .
I'm telling you, these guys rock! I like the fact that the EarthWorm Digest is on the cutting edge of information regarding serious earthworm research.
. . .and they don't charge anything to access the EarthWorm Digest site.
The EarthWorm Digest has a magazine that I subscribe to and it is very good. To answer your question, the magazine does book reviews in every issue. Believe me, they are not always flattering to the author. I have seen the EarthWorm Digest staff scorch some book authors. Each issue keeps getting better. They use it as a vehicle to assist in helping their non-profit operate. They are good people and they seem to know everyone in the industry. They have assisted many people in business and science.
The EarthWorm Digest crew sets the pace and everyone takes information from them. They do it out of love and passion, not for money. They continue to keep the spirit of knowledge sharing alive.
I hope this helps you make a decision. To me your question is a no brainer.
Cheers!
Ms.Sexy Tater
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redhen
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Re:WormFarmingSecrets - 2007/07/10 22:29I like truly like this site and a few others. Personally, before I spent a penny, I would peruse the information on this site and others.Susan Quinby-Honer redhen@nc.rr.com Starve the Landfill...Feed the Earth.
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triad_ekn
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Re:WormFarmingSecrets - 2007/07/12 08:15Thanks to all for the advice.
I am enjoying this website and look forward to becoming more involved.
Yesterday I took the plunge and ordered OSCR plans. I've been contemplating vermiculture / vermicomposting off and on for about 3 years. I've mentioned to my wife on a few occasions that I had regrets about not starting in 2004.... but HERE WE ARE TODAY
Also got 7 yrs of Back Issues of Casting Call newsletter (great deal available on their site!)
Best,
--Ed
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UncleBubba
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Re:WormFarmingSecrets - 2007/07/12 08:42I hope you didn't subscribe to their current casting call. I did last year and received 1 old issue and nothing else. I guess they do not publish anymore and did not refund any money.Deep in the "Heart of Dixie"
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triad_ekn
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Re:WormFarmingSecrets - 2007/07/12 11:47UncleBubba wrote: I hope you didn't subscribe to their current casting call. I did last year and received 1 old issue and nothing else. I guess they do not publish anymore and did not refund any money.
Hi UncleBubba,
No, I didn't subscribe - still checking out sites - really like this one.
WOW - suprised to hear of your bad experience. I actually wanted the 7 volumes of printed issues. They are no longer available so yesterday I was given access to download all 10 volumes of backissues which I've done, albeit I had download the 60 zip files 1 at a time.
BTW, I see you are "Deep in the Heart of Dixie", I'm NW of metro (TRAFFIC) Atlanta.
--Ed
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kanti
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Re:WormFarmingSecrets - 2008/07/03 21:59Hi Folks, I rarely post on this site unless I have information of significance to pass on. Those who were on the old site remember the B&B, CRS scams. This is another money sucking scam using the internet.
Carver developed a php script called Link Management Assistant years ago and has made plenty of $$$$. Now he sees this industry as an easy target. Here's how he's doing it....
?From PR Zero to PR 7 Within Ten Weeks?
That was the gist of a message I received a couple of weeks ago from Duncan Carver.
Hi Case,
If you?ve been following along with the worm farming project I?ve been sharing with you since its conception on day one, then you may or may not have noticed that the project domain website has obtained a Page Rank value of 7.
Yes, from PR nada to PR7 within ten weeks of starting the project. Not bad. Follow the link below to see this result for yourself and for more information about how this was achieved?
?also, if you?re wondering why there haven?t been many project updates lately is because I?ve been busy working the site. I hope to have some more updates for you within the next few weeks with interesting sales results, updated search engine rankings, and much more.
Have a great week.
Best?
Duncan Carver
If you click the link in that message, you can read how Duncan achieved this great result. In there, he says:
The biggest contributing factor in achieving this result was the fact that I linked the worm farming secrets website from, without a doubt, the most powerful authority website I have in my personal network.
Duncan calls his secret website ?Authority Site X? and he?s now monetizing this site by letting you post on it. For the first 500 members, the investment required is a modest $97 per month OR $147 per month if you wish to include 4 unique articles written specifically for (and posted to) your blog each month.
Yesterday I received another email from Duncan, letting me know he already has sold 146 (84 of $97 and 62 of $147) of the 500 orders. You can do the math. I thought that makes a nice monthly income. And if he sells all 500 initial spots, he?s generating over $50K each month. Not bad, not bad at all.
Now, this new wormfarmingsecrets website only served as proof that he could achieve a pagerank 7 in a very short period of time. Of course the niche wasn?t too crowded, but nevertheless, he proved it could be done. It?s a great teaser for his new service.
What Duncan did NOT tell us was how he achieved his results for ?Authority Site X?.
Let?s try to find out how he did that. Read on.
You see, I met Duncan some years ago, not in person, but on the Net. I can?t exactly remember when, but I have evidence that it must be three years ago and here?s why.
At that time, I was looking for a PHP script that could manage my link exchanges. Doing that by hand was very inconvenient, so I thought I would automate the process as much as possible.
After a lot of research and testing, I stumbled upon Duncan?s Link Management Assistant. I downloaded the script and it?s still on my hard disk. The date is August 2004, three years ago!
Here?s what I wrote on this blog after testing the LMA
Have you read that?
It was, without any doubt, the absolute best link exchange script on the Net, yet I took it down, just because it promoted unrelated links.
Actually, Duncan sold these links, monetizing his powerful free script. Although I personally didn?t use them, it still was a smart concept. Duncan made money giving away a powerful resource!
But even more intelligent was, that at least one of the links at the bottom of this script was for one of his own sites.
You can check that. Go to Google and do a search for his wormfarming site using the link feature. Check where the back links are coming from. Most of them are a result of people using LMA.
OR ?
these back links come from one of his other sites that he built the same way, like www.directoryzero.com. I suspect he has at least one other directory, but the Whois information for that one isn?t public.
So, Duncan also placed links to his own sites, one of them being the current ?Authority Site X?.
I found that site and it has indeed over 821,000 back links in Yahoo and 873 in Google. That adds quite some link juice if you can put a link pointing to your site in there.
And THAT?S how Duncan Carver created his secret resource and is now able to generate over 50K each month if he sells his initial orders.
Now, why do I think this a stunning marketing strategy? After all, there are more marketers achieving such results and lots of them in less time, right?
Because many years ago, Duncan had an idea, or, better yet, a vision. Remember I downloaded the script three years ago? Duncan?s idea must have been born far before that.
From that idea, through developing a powerful vehicle and focusing on realizing his vision, after all these years he succeeded in accomplishing this great result. And that, in my book, is stunning. I highly respect that.
And you still can download the Link Management Assistant, with great new features.
Kudos for Duncan Carver and his excellent marketing strategy.
Bottomline stay away from WormFarming Secrets.com
STAY AWAY FROM THIS SITE AND OTHERS WHO COME FROM FROM SEEMINGLY NOWHERE TO PROMOTE MEMBERSHIP.
Post edited by: kanti, at: 2008/07/03 22:06
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duncancarver
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Re:WormFarmingSecrets - 2008/07/03 22:29Kanti,
So you know me personally right?
Get a life you retarded Muppet.
This is totally irrelevant to the quality information the website provides. In fact my background and skills in marketing have actually enhanced the vermiculture community online like nothing before seen.
You can ask the 10,000 newsletter readers we have, the 200+ private members we have (including most of the leading people in the vermiculture industry from around the world) and they would all completely disagree with you.
Sure, there is a paid membership option.
Heck, I'm not a fulltime charity (but I'm sure you got to work not to get paid right?) and the website & newsletter would not exist without earning revenue to cover the costs of running and managing such a website.
This is a business for us, much like the paid products you can purchase from this website. I have invested US$10,000+ into this project, from my personal funds, so sure, we want to recoup the investment.
However, none of this detracts from the fact that we are providing a valuable service to the vermiculture community from across the globe.
I know it's easy to make accusations when you're hiding behind your computer about someone whom you don't know Kanti, but can I ask what you've done to help spread the worm composting word lately?
I communicate weekly with 10,000 individuals giving them practical advice (which I pay a professional in the industry to provide based on their first hand experience) to help with their endeavors. These individuals print out our newsletter and pass them onto their friends whom become interested in starting their own worm composting systems for whatever reason. The word spreads, the movement grows.
Whether those reasons are purely to reduce their environmental impacts - by reducing their organic waste in a more environmentally friendly manner, or running a small home based business, or simply as a gardener, or to grow live worms for their fishing. We have readers from every continent across the globe, whom I converse with weekly, interested in this field for their own individual reasons.
And this is a bad thing?
Kanti, again, what have you done for the vermiculture community lately or are you simply jealous that I now operate the largest most comprehensive website in this industry in the world... or have some other hidden agenda here?
Anyway, enough of the rant. People can subscribe to the newsletter and make up their own minds.
Best...
Duncan Carver
PS: Here are the last feedback emails that have come in (I recieve at least 30 of these, sometimes a hundred or more after each issue is published)...
"I enjoy the weekly newsletter, which is always packed with focused and detailed information. It really helps round out my knowledge of raising earthworms and gives me confidence in what I'm doing.
I just wanted to forward this newsletter along that I received today. I've ordered worms from this company and they do a great job of delivering worms. But sometimes I wish people would focus on what they know. It only takes a quick glance to see that this newsletter is a marketing invention to sell more products, while at the same time pretending to deliver useful information. The information is broad and elementary and doesn't answer any questions, but leaves many answers to be desired. But I would say the misspellings, improper punctuations and misuse of grammar are the real identifiers of unprofessional work. After all, a quick read through and spell-check run would fix most of the problems.
So, thank you for such a quality product. Your weekly e-mails are at the top of my must-read list and the information is not only detailed, but very informative and knowledgeable. Oh, and professionally done.
Thanks again, Mark Olis"
"Hey Duncan ?
Great newsletter, as usual.
One thing I find most helpful is the fact of hearing a particular situation is not unique to ME. Reading that other people are having similar problems often takes the stress out of trying to ?make it all perfect?.
This issue I find particularly interesting because although my bins are homemade storage container type bins with some 1/8 inch drainage holes in the bottom ? each of them sits inside another bin of the same size, to catch any leachate or worms that may find their way through the bottom holes ? yet I still occasionally find dead or dried up worms on the floor. I just think to myself, those must be the worms that are not too bright and better they stay out of the gene pool.
Since I am only disruptive to the worms when I am feeding them, which could be once or twice a week ? I not only feed them but kind of lift and fluff up the bedding to keep air circulating inside and add any necessary new bedding on top of what is already there. I find at these times they must get annoyed or something because they become very active and will easily crawl for the next few hours. I usually have to leave the tops off or ? if that isn?t enough to get them to settle down ? I leave the tops off and keep a light on them. When I see they have settled down I recover them and let them get back to what worms do ? mate, eat and poop.
I did try and start a worm bin with ONLY worms, by purging the worms and rinsing them off before adding them to a new bin. All looked fine for a month or two ? except things were taking a lot longer to decompose or get eaten. Well, this week I noticed both white (pot) worms and white mites. I didn?t inspect long enough to find any other critters but I?ve no doubt they are there. I don?t have any idea where they may have come from. I have the bins in different locations and do my best to prevent any cross contamination. I also freeze any foodstuff before adding it to the bin ? to make sure I have killed anything that might be lurking in the feed. Despite my caution, both bins now seem to be housing the same fauna. Oh well, another failed experiment ? not to say I may not try it again.
Thanks for the newsletter and informative writing.
Regards, Thomas"
"Hi Duncan, Thank you for your regular and most informative news letters. I have just applied my first castings, about 10kg, to specific sections of my vegetable garden and await the results. What I would like to know is how to undertake a controlled worm cocoon breeding count in which I could also involve my grand children. There are plenty of 'eggs' in the worm boxes and I have put a few in a small container but not had any hatchings as yet. Here in Zimbabwe the climate is ideal for worm farming but possibly a more controlled temperature is required for the above hatching exercise. Regards John Chadwick"
"Dear Duncan,
Thank you for copying me again this very informative advices of yours and from your many readers. My wife and I learned a lot from the information we read. We have expanded our worm beds from a 1x2 m beds to 4 units of 1x4 m bed and are collecting/harvesting vermin cast every 3 days from 2 worm beds. We have not placed yet worms in the other 2 beds.
We would like to hasten the production of our worms by collecting their eggs and putting them a rearing bed or box. How can we collect the eggs since worm eggs are small and difficult to collect? Someone suggested to us that we place newspapers on top of the worm bed and they said that worms will lay their eggs or sticking their eggs on the underside of the newspaper. Is this true? Have you experienced collecting worm eggs to hasten production of earthworms? Can you tell us more how to increase worm population in a worm bed?
Thanks, Mihan"
"Just a note to let you know how much I appreciate the news letter and learn from it. Having a worm bin is a new experience for me. I too have one of the stacking bins and when I first added my new worms the next day there were many on the basement floor. Someone suggested to me that leaving a light on would encourage the worms to stay at home in the bin. I did that and it seemed to fix the escaping problem. After a couple of weeks I left the light off, and the worms still stayed in the bin. Problem solved - I hope...
Karen Stonebridge Hancock Maine"
...should I go on?
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kanti
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Re:WormFarmingSecrets - 2008/07/03 23:25Retarded Muppet? Awe, did I hurt your feelings? Instead of hurling insults simply tell the members here what I posted was wrong? Simple due diligence search revealed your own words and how your strategy works.
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Bentley
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Re:WormFarmingSecrets - 2008/07/04 00:02C'mon Kanti - comparing Duncan's membership site to B&B and CRS is the most ludicrous thing I've ever heard of! It's like comparing apples to onions - there is simply no logic there whatsoever.
I can see you have got something against Duncan based on some previous wrong-doing (about which I know nothing, so I am certainly not going to assume anything) - thus you are more than entitled to feel that way. But seriously, what does that have to do with worm farming??
You are correct - Duncan happens to be a full time web marketer, but how does that instantly make WFS a "scam"?
I'll be honest, I too was pretty skeptical when I first read about what Duncan was doing. But rather than instantly start throwing empty accusations around, I decided to check it out for myself. I quickly realized that Duncan had actually put a lot of hard work into the membership by that point. Yeah, the project started as part of a marketing case study, but an important part of making it a successful case study was creating a valuable resource - not just proving he could get high rankings.
As it turns out, Duncan got to know me and my worm composting website and ended up offering me a writing position. Why would he do that if he was simply trying to rip people off?
If you were actually a member and had read the manual, you would know that much of my advice centers around taking a cautious, responsible approach when starting a worm composting business - I even devoted a section to the topic of 'buy-back' scams. So I know firsthand that the last thing Duncan is trying to do is rip people off. Obviously some people will find the membership more worthwhile than others, and that is totally understandable. There is actually a 30 day money back guarantee anyway, just to make sure people feel that they are getting their money's worth.
Anyway - I'm all about peace, love and harmony (and of course vermicomposting), so my intention here is not to get into a fight with anyone. I simply thought it only fair that I chime in, given the fact that I have a unique perspective on the matter.
Cheers
Bentley
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kanti
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Re:WormFarmingSecrets - 2008/07/04 00:38duncancarver wrote: I have invested US$10,000+ into this project, from my personal funds, so sure, we want to recoup the investment.
Project Cost
Running Total:
Domain Name: $8 Annual Hosting: $100 Ghost Writer Deposit: $500 (estimated $2,000 for completed product) Project Total To Date: $608
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duncancarver
User A Fertile Cocoon
Posts: 8
Re:WormFarmingSecrets - 2008/07/04 00:42Kanti,
EVERYTHING you posted was wrong.
You're calling me a scam artist pure and simple.
I guarantee you wouldn't be addressing me like that if we were standing in the same room together. Hurt my feelings? Not really, but obviously I have hurt yours (the truth hurts), defending my right to have my say after your illogical post.
"This is another money sucking scam using the internet."
Come on, where is your logic?
You are not, nor have ever been one of my highly valued members so how on earth would you possibly know?
"Now he sees this industry as an easy target. Here's how he's doing it...."
You have posted a quote from a third party website that has nothing to do with me (I don't know who wrote that) and is complete hearsay as to what that individual thinks about my MARKETING (but he thinks quite highly obviously - for good reason I might add).
The quote also HAS NOTHING to do with worm farming whatsoever.
It is a marketing plan pure and simple. Much the same way an author would structure a book, a business owner would open a shop. Simply because I was able to enter this market with ease due to my marketing ability, it doesn't mean I am here to rip people off. I provide high quality information and a valuable service to the worm farming community. Whilst my career is in IT and marketing, I studied an "Environmental Studies" degree at University here in New Zealand so have had an interest in ecology, biology and geography since I was very young. Yet another reason why I entered this industry.
If you think that's what I've been doing (ripping people off) search for something THAT IS RELEVANT about wormfarmingsecrets.com and anyone out there whom I have ripped off?
What will you find?
Nothing.
Simple as that.
To date only 4 members have requested refunds (out of hundreds of paid members), and they were all provided without question, in as timely fashion as humanly possible.
You have jumped to completely irrational and illogical conclusions.
Defend that as you wish, but everyone reading this can see plain and clear it is what it is, and to be honest I feel slightly embarrassed for you. I meet people like you every day working online. 99% of the time I simply ignore them for what they are (today - well I'm just bored).
You obviously have some beef with me personally, whether worm farming related or not.
You are welcome to contact me directly via email so we can discuss whatever issue this is and come to some sort of resolution. I am happy to call you on the phone at my personal expense.
What is FACT here is that there are only two kinds of people that complain about wormfarmingsecrets.com (well, the paid members area that is).
1) Those that can't afford it but want it.
2) Those that can afford it but chose not to because they are not prepared to pay.
In either case, that's what public libraries and the free internet are for (and the free newsletter we put out).
They are welcome to use them.
Whatever of those categories you fit into, bashing the entire site (and MY PERSONAL INTEGRITY) because YOU can't afford to, or chose not to join, AND without YOU having even seen the content and resources inside, nor my customer service, nor what other members in the private forums discuss... well...
...that just makes perfect logical sense that it MUST be a scam because YOU have no idea about it to give it an honest well rounded opinion!
Ha. I find it quite funny to be honest with you.
Peace to everyone else, I'm off for a cold brew... It's Friday!
Duncan Carver
PS: Why not come clean and tell people what your REAL issue with me or the site is here? I have nothing to hide, and my email or phone call offer still stands.
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Why don't you check the date of that post and actually see what stage the project was at? You will see it is over 12 months old... MUCH has happened since then.
And again, the numbers are irrelvant, it's the quality of the information and service we provide, and that speaks for itself.
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kanti
User A Fertile Cocoon
Posts: 7
Re:WormFarmingSecrets - 2008/07/04 00:47Bentley, Peace and harmony to you also. I'd just like you and Duncan to find another niche market to make your money. Simply put there are no secrets here. One can find all the information on this forum or 4-5 others that are good and FREE.
Serious vermicomposters need only to invest $10-$20 in a Charlie Morgan or Mary Applehoff book.
Peace, I'm done posting. BTW, please don't take the sites down that outline what you guys are doing.
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Bentley
User A Hatchling Earthworm
Posts: 21
Re:WormFarmingSecrets - 2008/07/04 20:11Kanti, This isn't some "niche" where I've chosen to make my money - like I said, Duncan approached me about doing some writing for him - the idea of making some extra money writing about my favourite topic in the world obviously appealed to me. I suspect that you make money doing SOMETHING - hopefully it is something you are passionate about. Regardless, nobody is going to call you a scammer in your chosen field because you collect a paycheck.
I've been passionate about vermicomposting for many years, and have been actively promoting it via my own website (which has 100% free information by the way) for nearly two years.
Charlie Morgan and Mary Appelhof are legends of vermicomposting - but they too charged money for vermicomposting information and services. Does that make them scammers too? Of course not. Yes there is phenomenal free info online - lots of it here in the Worm Digest forum, but where is the logic in suggesting that this automatically means that no vermicomposting information product should ever be purchased?
I own ALL the back issues of the former Worm Digest publication, I own "Worms Eat My Garbage", I own ALL back issues of "Casting Call" and a number of other great Vermico information products. In other words I've spent 100's of dollars on great vermicomposting information to help expand my knowledge over the years. Duncan's membership costs $67 for crying out loud - how that can be considered and evil scam is beyond me.
In all honesty I am quite saddened that you have lowered yourself to the level of making these accusations (it's not good for anyone, including yourself), all supposedly in the name of saving poor innocent would-be vermicomposters - ALL without any proof of anything. Its entirely your opinion - but even that is based on nothing other than a grudge (which now seems to include me, a person you have no history with and know nothing about).
Nuff said.
B
Post edited by: Bentley, at: 2008/07/04 20:13
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BTW people, DONT BUY FROM THERE, THAT SITE IS A SCAM!
Based on Kanti's own reasoning it must be because I have said it is - even though I have never purchased a product there!
So Kanti is obviously a little miffed that my marketing ability is better then his/hers.
AND, whislt I am not allow to earn revenue in this industry... Kanti obviously is. And now, he/she wants me to leave my marketing advice up there, so they can follow it?
Figure that one out.
Given my reach in the industry, and considering I have the most popular vermicutlue website on the planet full stop, you would think Kantai would be looking to make an ally here.
O, the customers I could refer to that site... Well could've is probably a better term for it.
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Duncan if you would make a back issue available 
it would save a lot of time . I would pay $2.00 for a prepaid mag mailed to me just to see what its all about.
I actually wanted the 7 volumes of printed issues. They are no longer available so yesterday I was given access to download all 10 volumes of backissues which I've done, albeit I had download the 60 zip files 1 at a time.