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Worms - 2008/05/08 02:48
Hi. New guy here. Mord's my name. I just started this worming gig back in March. Been wanting to do it since I read about it back in ot two, but was never situated well enough to get it goin'. So, now I am. I started a garden and it seems to go hand in hand with gardening...nice, clean, natural way to raise some fruits and veggies...a carrot, some worm poop...bliss.
I've been reading these forums (as well as everything I can on the net) and have really enjoyed the butt loads of information you guys have plugged my noodle up with. I've been rattling off worm info left and right like I've got invertebrate Tourettes, to any punk that will listen...and even some punks who won't listen but get on my nerves. It helps 'cause I collect in the wild, (by wild I mean any slab of leaf littered concrete, plastic or pile of leaves I can crawl through) and often I am asked what in the hell I am doing rummaging around in heaps of decaying vegetable matter. So I gotta explain before they call the cops. After about five minutes they leave me alone...
Well I built me a box, it's a basic thing, not like some of the jaloppies you guys have...but it seems to work. I call it Stalag XIII (says it right on the front)...It's a step up from the small buckets I was using when I only had a hundred or so POWs. NOW, I am a fully functioning, prisoner of worm processing plant and have 1043+ inmates working the scrap line for me. They consume while I goose step and scream at them in my best German accent. ACTUNG WORMEN HIFFEN!!! EATTEN ZEE FOODZEN-HOUSEN!! SCHNELL!!! There's been a few mornings where I've woken up to bits of worm jerky crunching under my toes, like some douche bag upchucked a bunch of itty bitty Slim Jims on my kitchen floor, but for the most part, they've been fairly cool. I mean nobody escapes from Stalag XIII! NOOOOOOO-BODY!!! Yes, my numbers may seem meager to some but remember, I hand collected these little dudes at the risk of popping knees, creaking tendons, and a herd of Charlie Horsies. Not to mention they were living amongst some of vicious-iest little bastards this side of Satan's nether regions...by nether regions, I mean those soft parts of his anatomy that don't see much sun...or soap....think crabs from a Thailand hooker but add more teeth and pinchy things!
Wow, look at me digress...I am still at least a paragraph away from my point! So, like I said up there, having read through these here boards, I've had just about every question I've had, answered. Seems being this late to the game the bases have been covered, sometimes more than once. So, a few observations/questions and I'll shut my trap.
1.) I've read people talk about using pond water for the worm tea. Would there be a greater risk of developing nasty, punk oriented bacteria/creatures by doing this...you know, like some pumped up amoeba angry at the world for his height and lack of moves with the ladies, lookin' for some payback on the man?
2.) In the brewing process of said tea, what is the significance of the 24 hour period? If say, you had five to six times the recommended air going into half the recommended water would you still need the time for the floaty thingies (<---Public Education Lingo) to develop?...What is the science behind the process?
3.) At first I mostly did my rounding up of prisoners on hard surfaces covered in leaves, feeling I was more apt to get Red Worms that way. Now, I find out there are lots more than Red Worms that like to hang in the leaves. I know for a fact I have a few Perionyx excavatus (Indian Blue Worms)...'cause just today I picked one out of some debris and like a hippy chewing on a hash biscuit went; "whoa, look at the pretty colors!" ...it wasn't until tonight that I realized he wasn't dressed to disco. Pretty though. Hopefully, I have enough of the good stuff (Reds) that they'll start humpin' like it's 19999...yeah, I threw in an extra 9 'cause I really want them rubbin' nubbies.
4.) The other day I was mowing the lawn and I saw this worm trying to find some shade...so I picked him up and tossed him into a part of the yard where he wouldn't fry up like a piece of popcorn chicken. When I say toss, I mean like barely moved him...like there might of been .003 seconds of hang time involved, and maybe two inches between him and Terra Worma. Welp he landed a few degrees starboard of where I wanted so I went to move him again and he split in half! I was like what the hell'd I do?! He got all herky jerky on me and wailed his self into twins. Come to find out, this is conducent to African Nightcrawlers...I just found that out tonight, that they like to do that. Weird...yet strangely arousing...Funny thing is I am no where's near Africa.
5.) 3 inch long, mauve colored centipedes will make me scream like a little girl.
6.) So will an oddly colored red spider that looks like one of it's parents may have been a lobster...they can also make your undies wet.
7.)"OHHH look at that big fat juicy one!" never sounds good...no matter who is around...ok, well, maybe when you are alone.
So yeah...nice to meet you all.
Mord.
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Re:Worms - 2008/05/08 18:18
 Ok, nice to meet you too Mord...
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Re:Worms - 2008/05/09 00:32
Clearly you've never heard a woman say, "Oh my look at that big fat juicy one"... pity for you.
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Re:Worms - 2008/05/09 01:31
fourmares wrote:
Clearly you've never heard a woman say, "Oh my look at that big fat juicy one"... pity for you.
I'll send you a picture and you can be the first.
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Re:Worms - 2008/05/09 09:44
Welcome mord. Glad your into it lol.
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Re:Worms - 2008/05/09 20:47
Mord, you're welcome here if you are actually a wormer. As in any situation, take into consideration the folks your talking with. Your first impression here sukt.
This ain't the corner bar at the end of a long day, nor the place for your "presentation".
Y'all have fun, whatever you're doing.
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Re:Worms - 2008/05/09 21:19
Thanks Gary.
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Re:Worms - 2008/05/10 03:09
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Mord, you're welcome here if you are actually a wormer. As in any situation, take into consideration the folks your talking with. Your first impression here sukt.
This ain't the corner bar at the end of a long day, nor the place for your "presentation".
OH. Sorry...next time I post something I'll try and be more boring.
My "presentation" would be considered in some circles, a "personality"...possibly even "humorous"...LOL uh, considering this is a forum for people that keep squirming, lower life forms captive in boxes and spend inordinate amounts of time talking about it on the internet...I'd say some of you guys take yourselves a BIT too serious. Loosen those undies and breathe.
And yes...I am a "wormer". I didn't buy mine from some guy. I hunted them myself. I think spending 30 hours or so digging through leaves, dead plants and rotting whatever, plucking them one at a time from Nature's heaving butt crack, just to get started, says I have a vested interest in what I am doing...Let alone all the hours of research I did insuring their wormy happiness before I even acquired them.
LOL yeah, I feel real welcome.
Mord.
P.S. That would be "sucked" btw...my first impression "sucked", which actually as first impressions go I'd say it wasn't bad...I'd go so far as to give it a high 7...maybe even an 8. You're a surely crowd you worm people....Well, except for Kyle and Charlie. They seem like the kinda guys I could sit with at the corner bar after a long day....
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Re:Worms - 2008/05/10 03:24
redhen wrote:
Thanks Gary.
OH...god. Yes! Thanks Gary, you've saved the day. Why, if you hadn't put me in my place for posting a hello thread...why...why...all of Redhen's worms may have left their boxes and crawled off leaving her with a dozen uneaten fruit roll ups!
Jesus. LMAO. I am in the Twilight Zone...
Hey Kyle, lets go grab a brew! Bring the squirmies, tell'em the Schlitz is on me...but no puking...no friggin' way am I cleaning worm barf off the dash board.
Mord.
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Re:Worms - 2008/05/10 07:42
Mordante69,
I can't help but feel a bit upset after reading this thread. =( Please understand that some folks may not take offense to phrases such as :
I mean those soft parts of his anatomy that don't see much sun...or soap....think crabs from a Thailand hooker but add more teeth and pinchy things!
But others may.
That didn't bother me, but the condescending tone with Gary and Susan did:
OH...god. Yes! Thanks Gary, you've saved the day. Why, if you hadn't put me in my place for posting a hello thread...why...why...all of Redhen's worms may have left their boxes and crawled off leaving her with a dozen uneaten fruit roll ups!
I feel that was completely unnecessary and uncalled for. These two are very devoted to helping fellow wormers, and especially newbies. They are always willing to share experiences and offer advice. If you don't believe that, have a look through some of the old posts here. Shame on you for saying such nasty words.....
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Re:Worms - 2008/05/10 13:59
Really? LOL Biased much?
Welp, ol' Gary could have said hello, nice to meet you, you know, kinda like how Kyle and Charlie did? Maybe even answered my two questions? But Gary had to mark his territory, make sure I knew he was important...the official spokesman for wormdom. Gary had to lay down the rules as Gary sees them. My first impression of Gary "sukt" btw. You wanna throw the word condescending around you may wanna reread Gary's post. But then again, why would you want to burst your own bubble?
This is a forum for discussing worms. As far as I can tell almost every paragraph I wrote included worms. Objective complete. It's not Gary's forum. I'll write and communicate in the manner that suits my personality not Gary's. If Gary doesn't like that Gary should start his own forum where people can write exactly how Gary thinks they should. It could be a nice drug free cure for insomnia.
As far as Redhen...Give me a break. She's a sycophant that needed to let everyone know that Gary had spoken exactly what she was thinking. Yet, she wasn't really thinking anything. Just parroting. The innuendo; "Oh Gary, thanks for saying what I couldn't"...jeeeez, LMFAO like he saved her from my evil post...barf.
So shame on YOU for standing up for rude, self important people on a friggin' internet site...not me. And shame on them for having a sense of humor akin to an Auschwitz bake sale.
And if anybody was offended by my comparison of leaf litter, creepy crawlies to Satan's crotch, and Thailand hookers, they first need some reading comprehension, secondly, should probably stop frequenting prostitutes, and thirdly,
may need to unbind their intestines. Prunes work wonders....so do jackhammers.
Mord.
P.S. A sure sign I've hit a low point in life; arguing with people on a website devoted to worms. God, I need to drink more.
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Re:Worms - 2008/05/10 14:11
Hi Mord!
I too am fairly new to posting here, but have been reading the posts for years. There was a lot of times I went to post, but realized the vermiscientists have everything under control.
I like the way you went out and captured verms, and then named their confines. I had my sons start some vermies like that and it was a huge success.
For the last 11 years I have been speaking at a community college and a university every semester on worm farming, marketing, and ....the number one thing they all want to talk about is the worm poop. It started out innocently enough, but turned into a comedy routine that all the students and staff cannot get enough of. They like it so much I get a standing ovation every time, and a invitation to come back every semester. The funnier the presentation the more they like it 
Some of my biggest fans are cops, and they really took the poop part to a whole new funny level. They order "the good sh_t" in "the big bag". You should see the look on peoples faces when they realize they werent talking about dope LOL.
Anyways, I just wanted to drop in and tell ya I appreciate the humor, and let ya know it is the funniest thing to some folks. Sometimes people will learn more and retain it longer when it is entertaining and funny.
P.S. Spiders scare me too! We have these huge tarantulas here that can make me scream like a little girl in the right situation...like being under my truck fixin something, and reach for a wrench, and grab a big furry spider instead!!!!! I still have bumps on my head from the last one...couldnt get out from under that truck fast enough 
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Re:Worms - 2008/05/10 15:29
Heya Worm Wrangler! Thanks! Appreciated.
LMAO! Bro, they don't make enough diapers! If I reached over and grabbed a Tarantula the Depends NASDAQ would shoot through the roof. They'd be talking about Brown Friday for decades. I am freaked enough by the quarter sized punks so I can only imagine. Don't get me wrong, I dig insects/bugs, especially the nastier looking ones, just not when I grab one by accident or they crawl out from under my butt while I am digging in the leaves. I like them from afar...a three step lead is just about right.
My rounding up of the POWs came partly from necessity, not having the money to blow on farm raised wormies and partly because it's fun and fairly relaxing. I get out there, dig around in the dirt and muck, talk to myself like I just had some Tapioca and three rounds of shock treatment and it makes for a pretty good day.
Glad you liked the naming of the box and what not. The naming convention is actually a cross interest. I am a big WWII fanatic so it's only natural. POWs, Stalag XIII...LMAO goes together like bread and butter. History rules.
Sounds like you've got a good thing going with your lectures. They sound like a good time. And I agree, funny is the way to go. People that walk around all stiff end up with petrified colons. And as they say, death starts in the colon. And yeah man, I've done a lot of things in my life, things that might even get you arrested in Kentucky, but the last thing I would've ever thought is that I'd be raising worms just to harvest their poop...If one can't see the humor in that then I predict lots of drooling in their future. LOL half my family thinks I am nuts...and half are glad I finally made some friends...1043+ slimy, wiggling, buddies.
Nice to meet ya, man.
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Re:Worms - 2008/05/10 22:26
Stress kills, Mord. Relax, please. I didn't say you weren't funny.
After interacting with the members of this forum for a while now, I believed that your initial post would offend some. Had it not been so colorful, I think you would have received a much warmer welcome from all. This forum has seen a few trolls not so long ago.
My "presentation" comment was in reference to your answer to fourmares, not your personality.
If you did read back through this forum's pages, I'd imagine you would have figured out that I am not even close to being an official spokesman for wormdom.
I learn from my experiences, mistakes and successes both, and try to share that with the folks here. So does Redhen, who I consider my greatest vermi mentor.
I didn't answer your questions because I don't have the answers.
I decided awhile ago not to argue with anybody online.
I don't need you to like me, but I'm asking you to respect the folks in the forum.
Y'all have fun, whatever you're doing.
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Re:Worms - 2008/05/10 22:56
ROFL that is too funny....Brown Friday !!! hahahahaha! Tooo much!!
We are always experimenting with ways to start worm farms, and one way we found that works, and is REAL cheap. We bought a couple of cups of red worms from the local walmart...I know that even sounds like a joke LOL.
Anyways we put those worms into a plastic tote and raise them from there. So the initial start up cost is around 10 bucks. I would think anyone could afford that LOL.
It takes a bit longer to get it to any size, but in a year or so you could have a nice little herd goin. Once you have that herd then the fun really begins.
Nice to meet you to bro.
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Re:Worms - 2008/05/10 22:58
gnosnhoj wrote:
Stress kills, Mord. Relax, please. I didn't say you weren't funny.
After interacting with the members of this forum for a while now, I believed that your initial post would offend some. Had it not been so colorful, I think you would have received a much warmer welcome from all. This forum has seen a few trolls not so long ago.
My "presentation" comment was in reference to your answer to fourmares, not your personality.
If you did read back through this forum's pages, I'd imagine you would have figured out that I am not even close to being an official spokesman for wormdom.
I learn from my experiences, mistakes and successes both, and try to share that with the folks here. So does Redhen, who I consider my greatest vermi mentor.
I didn't answer your questions because I don't have the answers.
I decided awhile ago not to argue with anybody online.
I don't need you to like me, but I'm asking you to respect the folks in the forum.
OOOOOOOOOM. OOOOOOOOM. OOOOOOOOOOM.
OK, no problem, man. Misunderstandings on both sides, I guess. Castings happen. <---See how I tied that in to the worm topic. THAT, my friend, is talent!)
LOL. Well, Fourmares doesn't have to worry, there's not a zoom level big enough, anyways. But maybe he/she should remember you get what you give...someone pokes me, I poke back...it's the natural order and as god intends it.
And no I am not a Troll...Christ, I've got better things to do with my time than troll worm boards! That's a special kinda sick. Nope, I have worms (not internally), want to utilize them and maybe even make some money. All serious...even if my writing isn't.
So anyways, Gary, name's Mord...nice to meet you.
Second time's the charm.
Let our healing begin!
Mord.
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Re:Worms - 2008/05/11 03:11
wormwrangler wrote:
ROFL that is too funny....Brown Friday !!! hahahahaha! Tooo much!!
We are always experimenting with ways to start worm farms, and one way we found that works, and is REAL cheap. We bought a couple of cups of red worms from the local walmart...I know that even sounds like a joke LOL.
Anyways we put those worms into a plastic tote and raise them from there. So the initial start up cost is around 10 bucks. I would think anyone could afford that LOL.
It takes a bit longer to get it to any size, but in a year or so you could have a nice little herd goin. Once you have that herd then the fun really begins.
Nice to meet you to bro.
Wormwrangler
Damn, Man. Is there anything Walmart doesn't sell? Don't tell me...they're made in China? Did they break soon as you opened the package?
Actually I'll have to check into that. 10 bucks isn't bad. Might be an easier way to boost my population without wracking up more of my anatomy...I'm not old but I sure as hell ain't young enough to squat, kneel and bend for five hours at a time like I used too. Last time out I thought I'd crippled myself. How many do you get for $10.00?
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Re:Worms - 2008/05/11 07:04
Hey Mord! Too funny & welcome aboard. About the herd increase it'll always cost ya, either in body discomphort or wampom. If the wampom method is used by the pound rather than by the count is best.
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Re:Worms - 2008/05/11 17:44
Yeah, Man. I'll definitely go by the pound if I end up buying any. It's been raining here for a few days now so by the time it stops I may be in the mood to go on another hunt. Gotta get the rest of the garden planted this week seeing that our last frost date has passed. Lotta work ahead!
Nice to meet ya.
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Re:Worms - 2008/05/11 18:25
Hey Mord
The worms we got from walmart were in bait cups. They were the samll ones, and I believe there was 50 in each cup. Those cost about 2 bucks per bait cup. The tote was about 5 bucks, also bought at wal~nuts. We used shredded newspaper for bedding, and fed them food scraps for the first few months.
It did take a few months for them to populate the tote, but by years end we had 2 4x8x2 bins started from those 2 bait cups.
So you could start a worm ranch by rounding up a herd like your doin, or buy a few bait cups, or go all out and buy them by the pound. Just depends on how fast you want to have a large bin full, or how much your willing to spend 
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Re:Worms - 2008/05/11 18:31
Mordante69 wrote:
1.) I've read people talk about using pond water for the worm tea. Would there be a greater risk of developing nasty, punk oriented bacteria/creatures by doing this...you know, like some pumped up amoeba angry at the world for his height and lack of moves with the ladies, lookin' for some payback on the man?
2.) In the brewing process of said tea, what is the significance of the 24 hour period? If say, you had five to six times the recommended air going into half the recommended water would you still need the time for the floaty thingies (<---Public Education Lingo) to develop?...What is the science behind the process?
Hey Mord,
Did you ever get these questions answered? I'm certainly no scientist but have some experience with punk oriented bacteria being a waste water operator if that's what you mean. I think the use of pond water is to provide nitrifying bacteria to the mixture that converts nutrients into plant-usable forms and to keep away from using chlorinated water.
I've currently got an experimental tomato plant growing in a hydroponic bubbler bucket. They say you can't grow organically in hydroponics, well some do but in my wastewater job I've witnessed huge tomato plants growing right on bare rusty metal while being splashed with nothing but straight concentrated poop water, thus my experiment...I added a cup of worm castings and compost to a five gallon bubbler bucket and five ounces of a liquid vitamin supplement called VIBE that's meant for people. At first, the plant looked like it would just turn yellow and die but all of a sudden like it exploded with lush growth and now has to be supported to keep from falling over. The theory I had was that nitrifying bacteria in the worm poop and compost would change the vitamins and other ingredients in the VIBE Nutraceutical to plant-usable forms just like in the sewer plant. Guess it worked!
The hydroponic bubbler bucket is a simple airlift PVC pipe fastened to the inside and powered by air from a compressor and keeps the organic solution constantly stirred and aerated. Will try and post a picture...Hope that was correct and maybe partially answered you question correctly...
From http://www.flickr.com/photos/charlielittle/
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Re:Worms - 2008/05/12 13:59
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Hey Mord
The worms we got from walmart were in bait cups. They were the samll ones, and I believe there was 50 in each cup. Those cost about 2 bucks per bait cup. The tote was about 5 bucks, also bought at wal~nuts. We used shredded newspaper for bedding, and fed them food scraps for the first few months.
It did take a few months for them to populate the tote, but by years end we had 2 4x8x2 bins started from those 2 bait cups.
So you could start a worm ranch by rounding up a herd like your doin, or buy a few bait cups, or go all out and buy them by the pound. Just depends on how fast you want to have a large bin full, or how much your willing to spend
2 bucks for 50 doesn't sound too bad if I am looking for a quick injection of POWs...It'd make Major Hofstetter happy! I'd like to have the full facility kicking out enough poop before the growing season ends. At least one 10 gallon tote's worth. Hopefully they will.
CharlieLittle wrote:
Hey Mord,
Did you ever get these questions answered? I'm certainly no scientist but have some experience with punk oriented bacteria being a waste water operator if that's what you mean. I think the use of pond water is to provide nitrifying bacteria to the mixture that converts nutrients into plant-usable forms and to keep away from using chlorinated water.
I've currently got an experimental tomato plant growing in a hydroponic bubbler bucket. They say you can't grow organically in hydroponics, well some do but in my wastewater job I've witnessed huge tomato plants growing right on bare rusty metal while being splashed with nothing but straight concentrated poop water, thus my experiment...I added a cup of worm castings and compost to a five gallon bubbler bucket and five ounces of a liquid vitamin supplement called VIBE that's meant for people. At first, the plant looked like it would just turn yellow and die but all of a sudden like it exploded with lush growth and now has to be supported to keep from falling over. The theory I had was that nitrifying bacteria in the worm poop and compost would change the vitamins and other ingredients in the VIBE Nutraceutical to plant-usable forms just like in the sewer plant. Guess it worked!
The hydroponic bubbler bucket is a simple airlift PVC pipe fastened to the inside and powered by air from a compressor and keeps the organic solution constantly stirred and aerated. Will try and post a picture...Hope that was correct and maybe partially answered you question correctly...
From http://www.flickr.com/photos/charlielittle/
Ah very interesting Charlie. VERY.
I've read when you brew the tea with a bubbler, at least when it comes to compost, that there is a greater increase in harmful bacterias along with the good. For instance if Ecoli was present (a definite punk) it could expand along with any beneficials in the bucket and there'd be a chance it was passed on to the plant when you sprayed. Now from what I've read there's not much chance of that with Worm tea because the castings pretty much neutralize anything that has passed through the wormy's body. But I was wondering with pond water where you are not starting with a clean slate like you would with tap that has been sitting for a few days, or distilled, that you might also grow more of the dangerous micro-organisms that can be found in most ponds.
I know they stopped using Night Soil because of the greater increase of tape worms/other nasties and disease being past onto the eater of the veggies grown in it.
The whole pond water question was more out of interest than concern though. I understand even with worm castings you are gonna get some microbial bastards that aren't gonna be nice, mostly to the plant...but they are out numbered by the good guys. I was just wondering if things like Amoeba and the like could actually flourish under the aerating tea brewing conditions?
I actually made my first batch of tea last week and I am semi happy with the results. I need to do a few more.
Thanks for the info. I'll be interested to hear more about the results.
Mord.
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Re:Worms - 2008/05/14 07:00
Don't know what got into everyone, I thought it was quite interesting. I love to hear about other peoples experiences, come on, Gary lighten up we are all here to enjoy ourselves.
FEED IT TO THE WORMS
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wellsworms
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Re:Worms - 2008/05/14 07:04
Mord:
I would like to also welcome you. I totally enjoyed your description of your setup and your outlook. Keep up the good work 
FEED IT TO THE WORMS
WELLS,vermont
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Kori
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Re:Worms - 2008/05/14 11:21
[/quoteDon't know what got into everyone, I thought it was quite interesting. I love to hear about other peoples experiences, come on, Gary lighten up we are all here to enjoy ourselves.]
I don't know, maybe I should keep my 2cents to myself, but I found some of the language offensive. I can choose not to read what Mord has to say in the future, but please don't attack Gary for saying what a lot of us were thinking.
What I find interesting is that it was ok for Mord to offend some of us but no one can offend Mord.
Welcome Mord. Think humor is great. But young ones read this too. Just asking you to be humous and considerate. But like I said, I don't have to read your posts if I don't like them.
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