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first harvest/new bin - 2008/05/29 17:55 A couple of weeks ago I harvested my 1st compost.I got a slightly larger worm bin.I used a different bedding(before used peat moss-came with kit)I used my rabbits litter boxes(paper and wood pellets) which I let sit for a couple of months.I did add some of this in the 1st bin to acclimate the worms.I also added some unfinished compost from the 1st bin.With all that said,my question is do the worms start breeding right away?When I harvested I had lots of cocoons and baby worms.I dont see cocoons or babies now.I have lots of worms and they are a good size.With all the unfinished stuff in there and it is deeper than the 1st bin it may just be hard to see them
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Re:first harvest/new bin - 2008/06/10 07:06 Hello Chana,

I see that this question has been floating around here with no answers for a while. I'll try to offer some thoughts, though I'm really not knowledgeable enough to provide an answer to you question. Hopefully my response will take your question back to the top and stimulate some more educated responses.

From what I have read, the worms simply go at it as often as they can. This would suggest that the absence of cocoons flags some problem in the bin. This could be any number of things from the worms trying to adapt to a change in their environment to the possibility that some of those wood chips contain cedar or other chemicals that aren't good for the worms.

There is, however, a paradoxical possibility as well. According to some sources a certain level of instability (be it temperature fluctuations, food supply etc.) can encourage rapid breeding as the worms try to ensure the continuation of their species. Some contributors on this site have noted higher yields, for instance, when the worms are placed outdoors in the summer (where temps alternate much more frequently than indoor temperatures). Perhaps it's possible, then, that your worms are simply very happy in their new bin and don't feel much urgency to reproduce.

I have also noticed differences in cocoon production. I have about 30 small bins in operation. I try to monitor the bins equally, though it's nearly impossible to maintain the same moisture, temperature, PH conditions in all of my bins at once. And when I divided up the older bins, it was very clear to me that some bins had lots of cocoons while others had relatively few. Given that these bins all started with about the same numbers of worms (weight wise), it's clear that something is affecting the rate of reproduction, though I'm not really sure what that something is.

Perhaps others may have some further insights to add here.
Avidwormer
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Re:first harvest/new bin - 2008/06/10 10:41 Maybe they need to be in the mood. Try soft lighting, music, wine, and nice brown sugar.

Seriously they might have been stressed after the move.
I know moving can be stressful for people and worms.
I saw on one web page that brown sugar increases reproduction in worms and it must be true if it's on the web.

Just my two cents worth,
Rob
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Re:first harvest/new bin - 2008/06/10 17:32 From my limited experience, the new bins tend to take longer to "see" all that's happening but usually, you can find production, just harder to find.

As Avid said, it could be stress or something that has been taken away.

Moisture and temprature will have an effect and I have found that hotter temps tend to slow down production (based upon my bins) This is scientific, did not count, just looking.

Good luck
www.wormcrusader.com
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Re:first harvest/new bin - 2008/06/10 19:22 I think new bins / bedding take a bit of time to build the microherd up to the l'il fellas' liking; by adding worms, you help that along since they bring some with 'em. If they're spending more time searching for tasty little microbe morsels, I don't think they're gonna be so interested in making babies.
Feed the machine; balance the bin, then play-time.
I mix some of the harvested vc into any new bedding I add to a bin; I know it's already full of microherd. Then I immediately add a bit of chow I know will break down quickly.
Y'all have fun, whatever you're doing.
Gary
Hopkinsville, KY
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Re:first harvest/new bin - 2008/06/10 23:28 I have an observation that might stir up some interest . We bought some cantaloupe at the store last week . When I put the rinds face down on top of my bins those little punks found a home . When I lift one ever so slightly I notice about a jillion worms right under it . Now follow me on this . If you were to put a rind in just as I did and wait a few days I'm thinking you could harvest with less stress on the majority of the worms . Just have the new bin ready , put your hand about 2 inches under the rind (this will mean that you have a couple of inches of bedding between your hand and the rind) and just lift up and put it down on top of the new bedding . After a few times you will probably have almost all the worms in the new bin and they won't even realize what happened . You are now free to harvest and of course there will be a few stragglers in the mix . These just get dropped into the new bedding . Thoughts ??? Tom
Kingman Arizona
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Re:first harvest/new bin - 2008/06/11 13:59 mine do the same with watermelon and cucumber. They love it under that delicious food!!!
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Re:first harvest/new bin - 2008/06/11 20:15 I planted some cantaloupe this year thinking that if it didn't fully ripen in our short season I could feed it to the worms. Glad to know they like it. Jeremy
Sterling, Alaska
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