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Worms still dying - 2009/01/29 14:04 My herd is in serious trouble

Can protein poisoning induce a contagious disease? I assumed that it only affected the worms which had consumed the grain, but I didn't verify this.

I moved the apparently healthy worms into a clean, newly prepared bin last week, but I'm still having a significant die-off.

At the time I moved them, I set-up an additional bin to quarantine worms that were questionable. They have all died.

Now the "healthy bin" seems infected. The only foods I've fed since the move are canned pumpkin, and apple that I cooked until it was baby food consistency...no grains at all. I've kept portions very small: only 1/2 teaspoon at a time and then added more once that was consumed.

On Monday, they started attempting to escape. I haven't seen this before. There's no evidence of parasites to the naked eye. Could any type of parasite cause symptoms similar to protein poisoning?

Could it be something else that mimicks protein poisoning or is the protein poisoning contagious somehow? Or, does it take quite a while for symptoms to show-up in some of the worms?

Anyone know what may be happening? At this rate, it looks like I'm going to lose my entire herd.

Thanks!
Bren
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Re:Worms still dying - 2009/01/29 22:51 Sometimes when unexplained die off starts...that's it.
Most growers have had this happen.
It's always good to try to find out what happened.
If the worms were coming from a grower, they may have been "sick" before they got to you, and the grower should be notified (as soon as the problem arises).
When I have had "sick" bins, I just cash in and put them in an outside bin, and start a fresh bin with new worms.
Susan Quinby-Honer
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Re:Worms still dying - 2009/01/31 07:36 Thank you for the reply.

I started with a few that I bought from a bait seller, about 15-16 weeks ago. The bin was thriving then started dying a few days ago.

The bait cups I bought had many cocoons and some hatchlings, and the herd increased to several hundred thriving juveniles in addition to the 150 or so breeders. The breeders had laid hundreds of cocoons in the meantime.

I decided to give up and planned to put everything in my flower garden when I till it in a couple of weeks.

As an experiment, I put the entire herd into a small bin, with a larger bin under it. Those which crawled out, quickly burrowed into the new bin.

I added some fall leaves, filled it to the top with shredded paper and have left it as is since.

The rest were tossed into a large cardboard box containing more fall leaves, a dozen or so Candians and the remains of plants which didn't survive a surprise freeze: mostly aloe.

There were several dozen reds that didn't crawl out of the small bin, so I dumped all into the cardboard biox. They were in a ball when I dumped them, except for a few dead ones.

Most of them burrowed down, so some may survive.

I'd planned to give the cardboard contents a quick sort, remove the uncomposted materials and put the rest in my flower bed when I prepare it in a couple of weeks.

I may pluck out the survivors and start a new bin for them, just to see what happens.

Poor things. I wish I knew what happened. I did see a few tiny insects: some white, some a reddish color. My first instinct was 'spider mites', but I'm not sure. I don't know if they were the problem or not.

I will continue to leave the plastic bins alone: just mist if either bin becomes obviously dry.

Many Thanks once again.
Bren
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