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Can I feed this to my worms? - 2009/05/08 02:47 One reason why I decided to get into worm composting was to use up some old bags of animal feed that were just lying around the basement. I have a 50lb bag of bran down there, which I will use as feed, I also have some game starter crumbles and egg layer mash. I'm sure I can use all of that as feed, I'll just use it slowly so it doesn't acidify the bedding to much. My question is can I use a bag of chick starter that I never used? Unlike the gamebird starter, the chic starter is made for chickens and has some medications in it, which you cant use on other birds or they will die. The bag is over a year old, so I cant use it on chicks because it has expired but I don't think the worms care about stale food. Will the medicines affect the worms? I don't plan on eating the worms or feeding them to anything so I'm not worried about that either.
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Re:Can I feed this to my worms? - 2009/05/08 07:00 Depending on the medications present in the feed, They can either outright kill the worms quickly or cause them to starve to death slowly by either being poison to the worms or destroying the microbes that worms need to eat. Please list the medications so we can help specifically. Arkie's Vermiculture
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Re:Can I feed this to my worms? - 2009/05/08 16:55 i'm all for the scientific approach but you will get a quicker answer if you take a dozen or so worms place them in a small container put some bedding keeping it at the proper moisture level, add a table spoon of that feed in question you will soon enough have your answer FEED IT TO THE WORMS
WELLS,vermont
jerry walker 2008
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Re:Can I feed this to my worms? - 2009/05/09 23:51 Good way to test it out, but if you're not in a hurry to use up the feed, I would let them eat it for a few weeks to be sure it is safe. Could have delayed reactions.

Larry
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Re:Can I feed this to my worms? - 2009/05/10 03:16 I guess I could try a small number of them first. I figured maybe since the bags were about 2 years old the medicines would have lost their potency. The medicine in chick starter is amprolium, used to control cocci in chicks, or so they say.
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Re:Can I feed this to my worms? - 2009/05/10 03:47 I just found some sites that claim that using a lot of chick starters or egg layer mash will slowly concentrate the salt levels in the bedding and may one day kill the worms. I'm still going to use it buy I think I'll soak it in some water for a while and fliush out as much salt as I can first.
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Re:Can I feed this to my worms? - 2009/05/10 07:07 you could always spread a pound or so on the ground outside and cover it harvesting the worms that are attracted FEED IT TO THE WORMS
WELLS,vermont
jerry walker 2008
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Re:Can I feed this to my worms? - 2009/05/10 08:30 "Veterinary medicines can persist in manure
for days (e.g., tylosin in pig slurry, penicillin in
poultry manure, nicarbazin in poultry manure) to
months (e.g., ivermectin, chlortetracycline, amprolium)
(22–24).

Earthworms appear to be sensitive to parasiticides,"
http://ec.europa.eu/research/endocrine/pdf/eravmis.pdf

Amprolium as parasiticide...
Amprolium
Bi 2-4 ml of 9.6% solution/gal water for 5 days (Ritchie and
Harrison, 1997)
Bo 5 mg/kg BW daily in feed for 21 days prophylaxis (Schultz,
1989)
10 mg/kg BW daily in feed for 5 days for treatment (Schultz,
1989)
D 100-200 mg/kg BW PO sid in food or water for 7-10 days
(Kinsell, 1986)
F 19 mg/kg BW daily PO sid or in drinking water (Bell, 1994)
Fi 10 ppm bath for 7-10 days (Harms, 1996)

http://dcminfo.wustl.edu/pdf/PDF/Text.pdf

It has always been my understanding that medicated feeds or manures derived from medicated livestock should not be used in vermiculture.

My particular project involves medicated manure from humans. Medications and other non desirable substances to say the least! Many of these are bacterially broken down in the wastewater treatment process but broken down to what? My thoughts are, as long as it doesn't kill them, the worms are ingesting things that are bad to us and our environment and passing along a thing that is less damaging if not outright clean and good for the environment. More testing needs to be done.

But to simply answer the question in the original post, I would say no, you can't feed it to your worms with positive results you hope to acheive in just getting your worms to grow and multiply.

Post edited by: ArkieGold, at: 2009/05/10 08:37
Arkie's Vermiculture
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Re:Can I feed this to my worms? - 2009/05/10 09:47 Chicken layer feed has a high amount of sodium. I saw up to 3 % on some bags. Rabbit feed is simular in crude protein, carbs... However it has only .03% sodium.

Always read the lables and go from there.
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